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New Leica S to be Announced at Photokina, Packs a 40-50MP CMOS Sensor & 4K Video

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From some talks with a Leica rep at the 2014 NAB show, it looks like Digipixelpop has found out that the next Leica S will be announced at Photokina in September. Packing a 40-50MP medium format CMOS sensor and 4K video, it’s an interesting addition to Leica’s current line-up, but one we probably should’ve seen coming considering PhaseOne, Pentax and Hasselblad have all already hopped on the CMOS medium format train.

Here’s what Digipixelpop had to say:

Talking with a Leica rep at NAB in Las Vegas, I was told that Leica will be announcing a new Leica S camera with a 40-50 megapixel CMOS sensor at this year’s Photokina expo in Germany. The CMOS sensor is expected, as is the resolution bump, but what really surprised me was that there they were also adding video… 4K video.

There isn’t much more word yet on other specs, but considering the sensor size and its 4K video capabilities, it’s safe to assume that there are plenty of other fun qualities in store for potential buyers of the Leica S… if you can afford it.

(via Leica Rumors)


 
  • edgar

    and price? 200 000$ ? :D

  • pedanticus the younger

    ” considering PhaseOne, Panasonic and Hasselblad have all already hopped on the CMOS medium format train.”
    Panasonic? I think you mean Pentax…

  • DLCade

    Our mistake, thanks for catching that!

  • Bob

    The current S2 is $23,000, body only. So I’d guess around $30,000 to $35,000 for the new one. Then add $5,000 to $10,000 for each lens you want.

  • Banan Tarr

    I realize Leica isn’t going for household ownership here, but if this comes in at 40mp it’s going to be laughable compared to what you could get with a D800E setup, just like spending $4,000 on the Zeiss OTUS 55mm when the Sigma equivalent is 99% as good costs 1/4 of the price. If you have the money to burn though— more power to you! And if you *really* have the money to burn why not buy two and let me take one for an extended vacation? :D

  • Gav

    Yeah but you still have to live with a terrible AF system……

  • faloc

    well most medium formats dont have good AF system, dont u know that? well who needs AF, u can still use MF…

  • faloc

    its actually quite low price considering its a medium format (ish), just look at Hasselblads, Phase Ones and Sinars… they’re way more expensive!

  • Gav

    Yes I do know that….Leica’s is particularly terrible…
    Your statement “well who needs AF, u can still use MF…” is like saying why do you need a hand to pick something up.. you could use your foot…..Not really the point.

  • robin

    actually the sensor is smaller then 645 if i not wrong.

  • robin

    but all the medium format as very poor AF… The hasselblad I tried have all the AF point is right in the middle and is very slow.

  • faloc

    Leica isnt terrible, they’re fantastic… they have top glass quality ^^ well their rangefinders are nicer to use

  • Gav

    Leica is like the emperors new clothes…Still trading off legacy cameras from 50 years ago. Their glass is no better than anyone else’s. Their digital tech is average at best. Way over priced for what they offer.

  • http://www.leifhurst.com/ Leif Hurst

    I picked up an H4d a few weeks ago and I’m actually surprised in how good the AF actually is. I’m not sure what you shot with but the H4D and H5D AF system with True Focus blows away anything I’ve ever tried with Canon and Nikon. You quickly find out, when it works THAT good, one AF point is all you need. My out of focus shots are probably less than 1 out of 25 where as I was maybe 1 out 5 or so with the Canon (talking close up headshots here).

    The worst case scenario, you can manual focus because the viewfinder is that much big.

  • faloc

    I’ve tried manual focusing on H4D, its really hard to get it correctly focused ^^ its like focusing a 14mm on a Canon, its nearly impossible for the naked eye to see the difference ^^

  • http://www.leifhurst.com/ Leif Hurst

    I haven’t shot on the wide end. I’m usually wide open at 120mm or with the 50-110mm zoom.

  • Zos Xavius

    Yeah, and the IQ from a powershot is the same as my K-5. Right. I mean both are 16mp so no difference right?

  • Gav

    Wow you’ve brought into the B/S hook line and sinker…

  • Banan Tarr

    For landscape work I’d humbly submit there’s barely any difference between a D800E and 40MP MF. Definitely no difference that warrants spending upwards of $30,000 more altogether.

  • faloc

    Sigh…. Go out and try one

  • Zos Xavius

    At those prices no. I’d be more interested in a 645D myself than a D800 though, but that’s just me. MF glass will resolve 40-50mp easily where FF glass is really struggling at 36mp. I don’t think smaller sensors and lenses that cost and weigh as much as much as MF is the way to go for resolution personally.

    edit: I also agree that its debatable right now the differences, but 35mm sensors will hit the diffraction wall much sooner than MF, especially if they ever go to full 645 sized sensors. The larger format will always have an edge. That’s the way its always been. But yeah, the gulf is not so large as it was with film for sure.

    I secretly yearn for a real 6×7 digital camera. Ricoh are you listening? ;)

  • Banan Tarr

    Agree – the 645D is enticing for that reason. The new Sigma ART and the superb Nikon 14-24mm is all that keeps me from going to MF.

  • Gav

    Sigh….already have…

  • http://www.digipixelpop.com Digi•Pixel•Pop

    When I asked about price I was told with a smile “It will be a bit more than the current model”

  • Deveron

    Naw. Their glass is good. Not worth the money to me, but I *will* concede that it is very, very good.

  • Alex Tan

    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Have you even shot with MF

  • Banan Tarr

    I can appreciate a good ad hom attack when I see one. How about you share with us exactly how spending $30,000 more on MF with 4 more megapixels is going to produce a vastly different result than a 36mp D800E with good glass for landscape shots

  • https://www.facebook.com/sixinchstilettos Ulli Bürer

    you are totally ignoring the fact that the larger close to medium format sensor gives different looks in perspective and DOF. This is an important difference for many medium/large format photographers. So I I think Alex Tan might be right about you never shot with medium format, esp. since you see megapixiels as the norm for comparison.

  • Banan Tarr

    I’m not ignoring anything. I think you’re ignoring that I’m talking about landscape shots. Explain how I can’t get the DOF I want with landscape using full frame vs. MF, and how I can’t get the perspective I want either… then maybe we can talk about spending tens of thousands of dollars more on gear when that money could be better spent on getting to locations.

  • https://www.facebook.com/sixinchstilettos Ulli Bürer

    true landscapers mostly stopdown their lens….but i prefer to concentrate on the way a sensor renders (dof/perspective) rather then to use the #of pixels as main argument, I mostly have people as subject, no infinity objects

  • Banan Tarr

    Yeah I just don’t know a single landscape photographer who wouldn’t get more benefit from spending $30,000 on getting to awesome locations vs. $30,000 on marginally improved gear.

  • https://www.facebook.com/sixinchstilettos Ulli Bürer

    i am not in the same class but i can imagine the effort willing to spend the money for the right location. In my case I spent a ticket just to be able to go to Jakarta , doin a shoot with my all time favourite model before she retires and go back again to the Netherlands in the same week…

  • Anto de Chav

    Rubbish..I’ve used S lenses and they’re incredible,and Ive used all the HC lenses and a few Phase one lenses.

    Can you find a 35mm Lens that can match the 50mm cron APO..only the Otus and that is cheaper but weighs almost 1100grams while the APO weighs about 350..

  • Anto de Chav

    When you have actually used one then you can talk…

  • Anto de Chav

    Exactly how many Nikon lenses can resolve the 36mp of the D800E?? you could count them on the fingers of one hand..

  • Anto de Chav

    How do you know?Have you used one??

  • Anto de Chav

    Difference is there..I use both on a regular basis..the S resolves more detail and has more “brilliance” across the frame..better colour and contrast and more detail!!

    A lot of people knock this system and have never even used one..its a joke!! I have shot a IQ280 side by side with an S..S lenses are superb!

  • Gav

    Yes I have. That is how I know…

  • Gav

    Yes sure… the 55mm 1.8 Zeiss/Sony FE the Sigma ART 50mm 1.4 and yes the Otus. All better lenses. Particularly wide open….

  • Gav

    See above comment…

  • Anto de Chav

    I have 2 out of that 3, Otus is amazing .. but S lenses are fantastic,Lloyd Chambers concurs as do many others that S glass is among the very best Lenses ever made..

  • Anto de Chav

    Another factor is lack of AF on Otus and lack of leaf shutters on all 3 of those lenses..You mention Wide open performance,this is extremely strong on the S lenses..

  • Gav

    1. Your question was not about AF
    2. Leaf shutter. Yep great. The AF on the Leica still sucks
    3. Define extremely strong… Then put that in monetary terms when comparing to the 3 example above…

  • Gav

    You might right…If Lloyd thinks the lenses are great…Good for Lloyd. But a good lens doesn’t make a good camera system. Whenever I have used the Leica. I am under whelmed. Leica just don’t have the resources to be competitive. The best camera manufactures in the world are Japanese.

  • Anto de Chav

    When you print large you see the difference ,, I have done this and the difference is clear!!

  • Anto de Chav

    Extremely strong meaning almost as good wide open as it is stopped down..

    AF was never selling point of medium format!Anyway the new S has a new AF system if the rumours are true..

    And D800 (which I have) has had a lot of AF problems of its own..Leica S AF is slow but accurate and Hasselblad has true focus which is excellent with wide glass.

    The otus is amazing but add AF and leaf shutters and it’s in S glass price range ..Its already close to the price of the 70mm

    Sensor size matters and S sensor is a lot bigger then 35mm..

  • Gav

    Hmm sounds like your justifying an average product…Autofocus is “slow but accurate”…. Give me a break…for the money that system costs. I expect more than “slow but accurate”…. I also use the D800. Its AF is perfectly fine. 3D tracking works great….Who cares about the Otus??

  • Anto de Chav

    Its a different system to 35mm,I don’t know a single person that bought into medium format expecting fast AF.

    Average product ??Your entitled to your opinion but I don’t know many that share that view,1/1000th sec flash sync,huge viewfinder and super glass with a body that is about the size of a 5Dmk3,I love using it. (its also a lot cheaper than phase 260,280 or 50 &60mp Blad’s.

    D800 is awesome ,I love mine (just received an 810 today..) and its great value for money and for some types of work its the best camera but IQ is better from the S .

    Anyway ,its all about shooting,so enjoy the Nikon.. ;-)

  • Gav

    I am sure the image quality is great. (it has a sony sensor in it so at least they got that right)… But as a system I just not impressed…. But i am sure that you and the other guy that brought one will be happy. Just don’t try shooting a moving object…