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Why Wedding Photographers’ Prices are “Wack”

Earlier today my friend and fellow photographer posted a link to a craigslist ad from a woman in Seattle looking for a wedding photographer. The woman was upset because she thought that $3,000 for a wedding photographer was “wack” because all we do “is hang out at a wedding taking tons of photos and editing them” and that we are “making so much money its crazy.”

I first read this post earlier today while I was running errands and my head almost exploded. I immediately started drafting a horribly mean and punishing response in my head, but by the time I got home, I realized that this is probably a common misconception and that maybe I should try to explain why photographers charge what we do for our work.

Before I post my response, I want to thank all of my brides who appreciate my work and think that I am worth the price. This response is not meant to offend anyone. I understand many people are on a budget — especially in this economy — and I understand planning a wedding is both expensive and overwhelming. I always try my best to work with my couples and offer customized and discounted packaging options for those who are on a tighter budget.

I just want to state again, that being a photographer doesn’t mean that we wake up in the morning, photograph a wedding for 8 hours and then go home and our job is done. Those of us who are lucky enough to be able to support ourselves as full time photographers don’t just work as photographers. We are also small business owners, which also comes with the job of doing all of our own marketing, sales, accounting, scouting, art directing, managing our offices and studios, being our own webmasters, doing our own post production, designing, blogging, being students, being mentors, researching, etc…

Sorry for the novel. Here was my response:


Dear Bride,

I am a wedding photographer in the Erie, PA area. Wedding season only last about 4 months here, so I photograph an average of 20 weddings per year for an average of $2,500/wedding (which totals about $50,000/year).

  • That being said, I am a small business owner, so I pay all of my taxes, totaling about $15,000/year, which leaves me with a gross income of around $35,000
  • Of that $35,000 I pay $600/month in rent for my small house and garage which I converted into my studio (which is where I would be editing your wedding images). $35,000 – $7,200 = $27,800
  • Then I have my car, which I would use to get me to and from your wedding, which I pay $400/month for the lease, plus $200/month in car insurance. $27,800 – $7,200 = $20,600
  • To get to your (and my other brides) wedding consultation, second wedding pre-consultation, the wedding itself, and to and from the printers I spend $840/year in gas money. $20,600 – $840 = $19,760
  • I also have $500/year insurance in case you sue me, or if any of your drunk guests would happen to break any of my equipment. $19,760 – $500 = $19,260
  • You also probably found me through my website, which I pay $30/month for hosting, and another $30/month so that you can view your photos online and share the images with your friends and family. $19,260 – $720 = $18,540
  • Or perhaps you found me through my advertisements in the newspaper or local bridal magazines, or a bridal show that you attended that I paid to have a booth at. $18,540 – $1,000 = $17,540
  • I also pay $250/month for my own health insurance in case I were to get hurt at your wedding. $17,540 – $3,000 = $14,540
  • I pay $200/wedding for a second shooter for your wedding, so that you can have more images and different angles, as to make sure you get the best images possible at your wedding. $14,540 – $4,000 = $10,540
  • I also need to have a new pair of shoes ($100) every season because my shoes get worn out and dirty from season to season. $10,540 – $100 = $10,440
  • I need high speed internet so I can upload all of your images online, my home phone for my business and my cell phone so I can communicate with you. $10,440 – $2,500 = $7,940
  • Oh yes, and I also pay a lawyer to make sure my contracts are iron clad and an accountant to make sure that I am paying all of the taxes I need. $7,940 – $500 = $7,440
  • Sometimes I attend workshops and seminars to teach me how to better my business, and make my client happier (that would be you), as well as keep up on the trends and learn new techniques so that I can make sure you have the best quality images available.

That would technically leave me with about $7,000/year to feed myself, buy groceries, pay for my heat and electricity, clothe myself, etc. But, usually I end up reinvesting whatever I have left on upgrades and new equipment:

During your wedding, I bring my professional equipment that I use so that I can make sure you have the highest quality images.

  • I have 2 Canon 5D Mark II cameras (because you always need a backup in case of a camera malfunction, which would ruin your big day’s photographs) which cost $2,500/camera = $5,000
  • I also have quality lenses which can capture your special moments in low light situations:
    Canon 24-70 f/2.8 lens = $1,200
    Canon 70-200 f/2.8 lens = $1,300
    Canon 50mm f/1.4 lens = $500
    Canon 100mm f/2.8 macro = $600
  • …and I have speed lights to catch the fun moments at your reception:
    2 x Canon 580EX II = $1,200
  • Also multiple battery backups and memory cards, lens filters, light stands, umbrellas, light boxes, external battery packs and a bag to carry everything in = $1,500
  • Because this is equipment, sometimes I need to have it serviced or cleaned to make sure it is all working properly = $200

After spending 8-10 hours at your wedding, I then come home to my home office and spend about 20-25 hours editing your images, creating your album, blogging about your wedding, posting pictures on Facebook, ordering you prints and burning your DVDs.

  • I edit your photographs using a 27-inch iMac computer = $2,500.
  • I edit your photographs on Adobe Lightroom ($200) and Adobe CS5 ($400 for the upgrade and $900 for the new program).
  • I print your DVDs on a printer which costs $300 and which uses $200/year in ink.
  • I buy the DVDs and jewel cases you’re getting printed for $300/year
  • I archive all of your photographs on 2 x 2TB external hard drives = $500.
  • I also back up all of my photographs online so if there was ever a fire in my office, you would never lose your photographs = $400/year.
  • I also have office expenses as far as buying paper, staples, envelopes, packaging, filing cabinets and files, etc…
  • I also spend time and money ordering your prints and albums, paying for shipping, going to the post office etc.

All of that being said, I’m usually in the hole at the end of the year, and take on many family portraits, senior portraits and corporate jobs in order to make ends meet.

Photography is my passion and my livelihood, and it is also expensive. Yes, it seems like a lot of money for one day, but one day isn’t all we spend on your photographs or on our business. You will spend thousands of dollars on a wedding dress or flowers or a venue or on catering which you are going to have for only one day, but your photographs will be the only thing you have to remember that one day for the rest of your lives.

I’m extremely insulted by your craigslist post and hope this sheds a little light on why we charge $3,000 for one day of your memories that are going to last you forever.

— Nikki Wagner, Photographer


About the author: Nikki Wagner is a wedding, portrait, and event photographer based in Naples, Florida. Visit her website here.


 
  • Bill

    You should charge your customers a realistic price and get a real job. Wedding photographer is not a job.

  • Blake McClure

    So this article is basically saying you work to just get by and have no life other than taking pictures and editing? Weddings only 4 months out of the year? Only wedding shoots no senior pics or family pics? Hmm…. if you’re making 50,000 in 4 months you’re doing something right! You made enough money in 4 months (doing what you love) to pay off 1 year of bills and have 8 more months to work wherever and make even more. I feel so sorry for you. Lol come on not trying to be an ass but realize that you’re making a lot of money haha

  • niket

    Awesome response.

  • Helena_Handbasket

    Speaking as a friend of many pro photographers, you let her off easy.

  • hazyblue7

    We all have bills! None of your random expenses should be considered.

  • http://www.amandadouglasevents.com/ Amanda Douglas Events

    I love the break down, and it’s so true! Great post Nikki!

  • Andi Bravo DelGrosso

    I LOVE THIS! YOU ARE THE BEST

  • snaapz

    Anyone can buy a SLR camera and a flash; pinterest search “wedding portrait ideas”; have a quick read on lighting, diffusing and using natural light; practice shooting moving objects and you’re ready. One day of shooting, half a day of editing. $600.

  • https://www.youtube.com/user/TanksForTheMammeries/featured?view_as=public Sean Caskie

    While I appreciate the author’s reply to the woman’s ad, I do disagree with a significant amount of what she said. I’ll break it down in a minute, but let’s start with her point about being in the hole at the end of the year, and being a business owner… If, after several years in business, you’re still in the hole year end, you might want to think about a new line of work. Typically, the only folks in a hole at year end are businesses who are paying off loans or investments – and in those cases, their salaries are included in the expenses. Frankly it sounds like she isn’t very good at running a business.

    Now, if you’re still with me after that, then consider the following: unless she’s completely ignorant, while wedding season may only be 4 months long where she lives, she has plenty of other gig opportunities, such as:
    Graduations
    Business Events
    Fraternity and Sorority Events
    Stock Photography (istock anyone?)
    Advertising Photography
    Children and Family Portraits
    Modeling Photography
    Concert Photography
    Contract Forensic Photography
    Legal Photography
    Private Photography Lessons
    and on and on…..
    Many of these types of photography do not have a “season”, and many can be done in her studio, requiring only lights and backdrops – a minor capital outlay…

    Further, she describes the cost of her equipment which is a bit disingenuous, because some of it is capital outlay and some recurring monthly cost. The capital equipment costs should be depreciated or at least pro-rated across all events over the course of a year to determine actual expenses, and the monthly recurring could be shaved a bit with better spending habits.

    So I believe this is a case of “methinks thou dost protest too much”. Honey – take the shoes out because unless you wear them ONLY for the weddings, it doesn’t count and makes you seem petty.

    Now, I agree that replacement equipment, upgrades, repairs, etc… will be required, and I certainly don’t begrudge her charging whatever fee she feels appropriate, but she needs to improve her argument and re-evaluate whether or not this is a business or a subsidized hobby before she goes off on a bride.

    Lastly, I was for several years a professional photographer. I made a living off of it, but not by shooting weddings. I did everything else, mainly because I didn’t want to deal with brides.

  • Patrick Vail

    It sounds to me like some photographers seem to think they only need to work 4 months a year. join the rest of us, work 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year. The photographers I know work 2 jobs, in order to make ends meet and fulfill their passion, with that said $3000 seems reasonable to me for a wedding.

  • hgg

    50 grand for 20 days of work?
    Quit complaining.
    Most people don’t make that much working 9-5 all year.

  • Jaron Miller

    I mean sure, it’s an expensive business: equipment, travel, production, ect, but seriously cut some costs out of there and rely on more than wedding season to pay your bills. This writer sure does an excellent job of making a non-sustainable business, when they could go about half of those costs a ton cheaper if they’d bother to try.

  • Bipartisan Jerk

    You’re clearly an illiterate idiot, hgg.

  • Thomas

    “What makes your photos and service different from my less expensive options? ”
    That is the key question every business owner needs to be able to answer: “Why would I hire your company instead of one of the other companies out there.”
    That is not an easy question to answer, and the business owner may not like the answer.
    But it is the question the business owner expects the customer to answer.

  • Thomas

    “Your value is not derived from the costs that it takes to produce the work you produce. Your value is derived from the work you produce”
    Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
    The client does not care if the picture is OOC or takes 50 hours or PP. They only care about the value of the final product when considering the price.

  • Thomas

    You are presuming that the “professional” photographer has tons of experience and training. I don’t think that is always a given.

  • Angela Perez

    You probably got an amateur for $400. The second shooter is only there for 8 hours then hands over images for the first shooter and he is done that is why he only gets paid $200. The first shooter on the other hand is stuck working and editing and retouching your images, It takes me around 2-3 weeks worth of work for me to edit and retouch through an entire wedding and design albums and go back and forth between client to deliver final product that is time and time cost money and I believe 2-3 weeks worth of work is worth 3k. Our job doesn’t end when we leave your wedding and it starts way before we arrive at your wedding as well. If a bride can’t afford 3k then instead of complaining she can”t afford it she should go find some cheap amateur photographer not everyone can afford gucci either and instead they shop at walmart. A quality photographer is a luxury purchase if you can’t afford luxury then you find an amateur in your budget is that simple

  • guest5745

    LOL…well she can always go to Olan Mills or JC Penneys for cheaper wedding photos they have been around awhile. lol

  • albertan

    pffffttt…..you think wedding photographers have it rough try being a musician, hire 4 guys to play a wedding for 5 hours, usually preceded by travel ,setup and tear down time and its a 10 hour day, you think your photography gear is expensive, a good set of drums can cost as much as all of this guys photo gear combined. The worst part is the entire band gets about as much as one photographer, I know they have editing time, but bands have rehearsal time…lets face it were not in it for the money.

  • unlisted

    My wife is a wedding photographer and many times I’ve questioned her why she even wants to keep doing so when it doesnt pay off. she only charges $2500 and thats cheap for a wedding. But after all said and done she sees very little profit for what she offers. here is a more realistic break down than the article. I did find the article to be a little extreme with some of the expenses btw.

    My wife used to offer a wedding package for $2500 that included a 8hr day, a second shooter, and a wedding album. Prints were available at additional costs. Wow what a rip off you say? How would you know?….

    My wife pays a second shooter $300-$500 depending on their skills and experience…but lets just say $300 to keep it on the low side. So already takes it down to $2200. The wedding album alone ranges from $300 minimum. And thats not even including time to edit and design the album. Thats what they charge my wife for an album to keep it simple. That now brings it down to $1900. Most weddings that she shoots averages about an 1-2hr drive one way then driving all day to the brides house, church,photograph destination, and reception. So well just say $40 for a tank of gas. Now were down to $1860. Oh yes let me back track because i forgot to mention that an engagement session is also included. Its usually an hour photo session and she drives to the location where the bride chooses. So lets keep it low and say $20 for gas since its USUALLY only at one location. so that’s now $1840 no charge for time and labor yet.

    It’s still $1840 that she profits you say….but did you know she has to go through over 100 images from the engagement shoot? And over 500+ images from the wedding day? Thats probabaly over 36hrs for ONE person editing alone constantly working at it. So lets say she pays herself $25/hr for labor…thats $900. So now her profit is only $940. And thats keeping it on the simple side. Im only counting 500+ images from her camera and not from the second shooters camera. So whats $940 profit really mean to a photograher that also has to pay bills? Not too much.

    And this is all based on the low averages cause i wanted to keep it simple.

  • angelorabbit

    I would like to see this posted to her, and see her response.

  • Martti O Suomivuori

    You can get a very nice lightly used camera setup for that 3000 dollars. Make a nephew or a cousin read the manual very well and watch some videos on wedding photography on YouTube. Let her/him get to know the couple in advance and learn the ropes of a DSLR. Then when the wedding happens, be careful that she/he does not take too many glasses of sparkling Burgundy booze. You put the photos on a stick and take them to the mall and order prints with frames and books and DVDs. Then sell the nice camera for near the same price you bought it for.

    Your barber can nicely remove your hemorrhoids. He has lots of sharp tools and he is used to being around with assh….

    Yeah, why do people want to play Rockstars and Paparazzi in their wedding when it it more than 30% likely that the marriage will end in a divorce?

  • gochugogi

    My landlord requires me to carry 2 million in liability insurance on my studio. I have to send them the insurance certificate every year or I get threatening letters from their legal department. But a less than a grand annually for insurance isn’t too bad. Website is relatively cheap. What hurts is the monthly studio rent and common area fees, due even during holidays and slow seasons.

  • denneboom

    “I archive all of your photographs on 2 x 2TB external hard drives = $500.”

    250$ each? – thats sounds like a lot

    a WD green 2TB for general use costs me 90$ each
    a WD Red 2tb for NAS/stoge use costs me 103$ each
    and a enterprise level WD RE 2TB costs about 156$

    i have no clue where he paid 250$ for those

    plus: isnt 2TB a little on the low side? o assume many photogs have more storage than that at their disposal.

  • Dan G

    The math is incorrect. Divide most of the items by 20 or 40 or 60 depending on how many years it may last. Taxes are not that much since many items can be written off. Insurance is high. There is nothing wrong with charging that much, just that the math on here causes the author to lose credibility.

  • Shawn Starr

    lame. You make $50k in 4 months…boo hoo.

    Get over yourself…you can’t charge the clients for your home Imac, most of this is tax deductible, and if you are still printing/burning dvds then you’re old or too dumb to use the cloud, or send harddrives to your clients (much more convenient and appreciated).

    Why does it take 30hrs to edit a wedding? Most photos shoot around 3000 images. So culling (deciding which ones to keep and which ones to throw away) should take 1 second per image…thats 3000 seconds or 50 minutes.

    Now for the actual editing which can be time consuming if photogs didn’t outsource retouching to india for .06 per image. So….it takes you maybe another 50 minutest to ship your images to a sweatshop for editing.

    Once you get them back from the sweatshop, you have to spend about 2 hours posting images on facebook, so you can get more business (this is non billable self promotion). 2 more hours packaging the collection and sending it out in the mail.

    So thats actually a total of 5 hours of work after your exhausting 6-8 hour wedding day.
    Good thing you bought those comfy shoes.

    Look…i’ve been shooting weddings for 11 years and the markup is INSANE. That is why so many people are flocking to become wedding photogs…its VERY VERY VERY EASY to make a Drs salary without any formal education or hard work.

    DIGITAL photogs are STILL CHARGING the same rates that the FILM photogs charged 10 years ago…but they don’t have to pay for the expensive film/processing. They can now rent their gear instead of buying it, the cameras do 99% of the work for the majority of BGrade photographers…and most of the editing process has been automated thanks to actions and some kid in skinny jeans hosting a workshop with all his knowledge acquired in his 2 years of experience in the industry.

    Bottom line…i charge $1000 for photography, edit every image myself, and can still make a killing. I’m not an ego maniac thinking of myself as a “fine artist” which is an oxymoron for wedding photogs. I buy top of the line gear and have the same expenses as you do…and I live in Hawaii where rent is $700 for one room in a shared house!

    You are overcharging brides because this $2500 price is what the market dictates as normal…but that is changing rapidly as the supply of hungry photographers are outpacing the demand of people who have money to get married in america right now.

    Sleep well on those nice soft sheets tonight because in 5 years you will be looking for a new line of work that is much harder, and pays a lot less than $10,000 a month each summer.

    BTW If anyone wants to make real money shooting weddings, you do have to go to India…the weddings last a full week and are crazy ELABORATE. Its common for photogs to charge $10-$15,000 for one event. But you will need a crew.

  • lovingparentof2

    Most of those expenses are living expenses, not business expenses. But good try,

  • lovingparentof2

    “50 grand for 20 days of work?
    Quit complaining.
    Most people don’t make that much working 9-5 all year.”

    Completely agreed!!! That part is quickly skimmed over. Idiots!

  • robblef

    If you are going to list your car payment, car insurance, your house rent, gas to go to work, your shoes,, your internet and your income tax, you may as well include food, electricity, water, and whatever else EVERY WORKING ADULT PAYS AND CONSIDERS A “LIVING EXPENSES”.

    I have nothing against photographers or what they charge -it’s a free market. However, this is some of the lamest crap whining I’ve ever heard.

    Once you get to the true business expenses for your equipment(some debatable that it’s luxury more than necessity) you don’t factor in that it is all a tax write off.

    Your rant should insult every professional photographer out there.

  • robble

    Your math was more realistic until you counted her paying herself $25 an hour as an expense

    Next!

  • unlisted

    Robble, I was using that as an example to show the labor involved. Im not sure where you find that unrealistic. She still has to put money aside for taxes at the end of the year. So if she doesn’t limit her profits she’d be owing back. Besides $25 is not an unrealistic number to pay yourself as an owner. Next!

  • unlisted

    Robble, i was using that as an example for labor costs not as an expense. I wanted to some how represent the labor that goes into editing the images regardless if she edits them or if she pays someone to. Time is money for them that people dont take into consideration. Hope you have a better understanding now. sorry for the confusion.

  • robble

    Sorry, you don’t get to use that as an ‘example’ and say profit was only half because of payroll for yourself. You could figure out tax withholding but realize everyone else has that expense too and it’s not limited to photographers.

    “If she Doesn’t limit her profits she’ll be owing back”. It sounds like your are either saying you don’t want to make enough money to pay taxes ( in which case don’t cry about being poor) or you are just crying about paying income tax in general. Everyone else pays too so now you are starting to sound lile the author of the article

  • unlisted

    Robble your obviously a fucken moron because you dont understand that im not using it as an expense. I WAS REPRESENTING IT AS LABOR CHARGE!! You know…to show that it does take TIME to edit the pictures. If you misunderstood i may have forgiven you for being a dumbass the first time. But for you to come back and say something so stupid again qualifies you as permantly ignorant and stupid. Im done with your ignorance.

  • robble

    You really do sound like the op now. Anything you pay YOURSELF is profit. So what if it takes time. You are still getting that money.
    “So lets say she pays herself $25/hr for labor…thats $900. So now her profit is only $940.” You are subtracting her ‘pay’ from profit. That is dishonest.

  • unlisted

    And you still dont understand that im NOT paying myself. That the TIME invested into editing images is part of the cost that is included in the package. You read it all wrong and you are interpreting it in your head that im using it as an expense. How else would you have me try to explain that it takes 20+ hours to edit 1000 images for $2500 so YOU understand??

    Does a mechanic tell you that he can do a timing belt for you for $200 for parts and $50 an hr for labor @4hrs to do the job per the requirement time and take 8hrs to do the job?? NO! They’d be losing profit. So if there is no labor time into editing images how else will you be able to show a loss or gain? Or do you just think that after all the traveling and gas expense that whatever is left your calling that a “profit”? Your nuts if your not taking into account your labor!

  • robble

    You are the one who either does not understand or you are just trying to make a pity party. You are charging for the job – not by the hour. The number of hours it takes you to do the job has no bearing on your profit for that job since someone besides yourself is not taking any of that $1840. Your profit is the same ($1840) for that job wether you do the job in 10 hours or 100 hours. Well maybe could subtract the electricity used for the computer during the hours you are actually using it for the job. The amount of money you earn per hour may be different but you are still getting the same overall money. Your own labor costs you nothing.

    P.S. If a mechanic has no other jobs to do that day then he still has the same paycheck for that day wether he did the job in 1 hour or 8 hours no matter what book time is. If he can do several jobs worth 20 book hours in an 8 hour period, sure he’ll earn more but that is for doing more jobs. His pay per job does not change.

  • unlisted

    See and again….another dumb post making the assumption that if there were “no other jobs” . You’re just not getting it. You say $1840 profit regardless you are dead wrong. For someone like you who thinks that labor comes free makes you an idiot. And that’s why morons like you think that quality wedding photography is over priced when all you see is that photographers are only shooting a wedding for one day and charge an outrageous fee of $3000 when you have no idea what they go through to deliver YOUR one most important day. go ahead and buy a $100 point and shoot camera and have your mom shoot half dark images. You might be happy hanging those in your house. But for people with class…im sure they will spend the money.

    $1840 and over 20 hours of free labor = a profit of $1840 in your book. Get out of here!. A mechanic charges $50 @4hrs to do a job but takes 8 hrs still = $200 profit in your book. pretty stupid buisness.

  • robble

    Show me the math where $1840 in your pocket does not equal $1840 in your pocket especially when you are paid in advance.

    I don’t care how much a photographer charges. It’s a free market and and you can charge whatever you want. People will choose whoever they think gives the most value. That opinion will change from person to person.

  • unlisted

    Hey stupid robble…stop replying with stupid things. For you $1840 is profit because you would see that as all take home pay and $0 into your buisness. I have to set a rate to pay myself or else i dont eat and my kids dont eat. My buisness is a seasonal buisness and i cant pay myself a 40hr a week paycheck. So here is the math for moron 101. $1840…my labor rate to pay myself i used $25/hr in my original post. If it takes me 20hrs to do 1000 images i pay myself $500. My BUISNESS profits $1340. If i can do it in less time, my buisness profits more. If i take longer to do the job, my buisness loses money. Just like if i was paying someone to do it. You get it?? The purpose of a buisness is to make money…not for myself…but for my BUISNESS. Yes it is important to have money in your buisness because that pays for my health insurance, camera equipment insurance, my website, and office supplies I use for my buisness. I cannot treat it as my personal gold mine and use when and where i want to.

    So for you to say “Sorry, you don’t get to use that as an ‘example’ and say profit was only half because of payroll for yourself”….the answer is YES I DO! you have to be a complete idiot to think that a small buisness owner is not going to pay themself for the honest work they put in. You think they just work to not see any of the money they earned? You think they can just dig into their company money whenever they feel like it and expect to be successful. Now im really done with you. You’ll probably come back say say something stupid again

  • Guest

    Wow, such a crybaby and so quick to call people names in all of your replies. I’m starting to suspect that this wife of yours is named Nikki Wagner.

    If you are a sole proprietor (and it certainly sounds like Nikki is from the rant article she posted) then the business profits are your profits.

    Or should you continue to insist they are seperate and that the business profits are different from your personal profits then you can’t claim a bit of business expense as cutting into your personal profits. All that fancy camera gear? YOU didn’t pay a dime for it. The business did. So you have zero expenses personally. Gas? Put it on the business charge card. Meals during business hours? Same thing. It doesn’t affect YOUR pay. Only the business which is distinctly not you. Hell, the business gets to deduct your paycheck and all the things it bought on its tax filings. How grand! You do file seperately for your personal income tax and for the corporate business tax filings don’t you? You also can not touch companies profits, correct? It could make a million dollars profit and you’d still be driving the 1989 SAAB, correct? If it went bankrupt the only thing you’d need to do is find s new employer without being liable for any of the debt.

    But wait. You said, “$So what’s $940 in profit to a photographer that also has to pay bills?”
    Does that mean the $940 really does belong to your wife and not the company? And bills? Werent all of those already subtracted?

  • robble

    Wow, such a crybaby and so quick to call people names in all of your replies. I’m starting to suspect that this wife of yours is named Nikki Wagner.

    If you are a sole proprietor (and it certainly sounds like Nikki is from the rant article she posted) then the business profits are your profits.

    Or should you continue to insist they are seperate and that the business profits are different from your personal profits then you can’t claim a bit of business expense as cutting into your personal profits. All that fancy camera gear? YOU didn’t pay a dime for it. The business did. So you have zero expenses personally. Gas? Put it on the business charge card. Meals during business hours? Same thing. It doesn’t affect YOUR pay. Only the business which is distinctly not you. Hell, the business gets to deduct your paycheck and all the things it bought on its tax filings. How grand! You do file seperately for your personal income tax and for the corporate business tax filings don’t you? You also can not touch companies profits, correct? It could make a million dollars profit and you’d still be driving the 1989 SAAB, correct? If it went bankrupt the only thing you’d need to do is find a new employer without being liable for any of the debt.

    But wait. You said, “So what’s $940 in profit to a photographer that also has to pay bills?”

    Does that mean the $940 really does belong to your wife and not the company? And bills? Weren’t all of those already subtracted?

  • Jeremy Chou

    Totally agree! It’s all cost of LIVING and running a business. I never understand why photographers feel the need to post stuff like this!

  • unlisted

    ^more stupid…keep going stupid. To the point where your so confused your just speaking stupid. Look you can assume all you want but we are successful at it because we dont work the way you do. For a knucklehead to tell my wifes successful buisness that shes running it all wrong is foolish of you. You argue your point but actually have no point. Im telling you how we she is remaining successful off the very little profits and yet you continue to argue. And yes…we still drive the 1989 saab so when we retire we can drive whatever we want. Thats called “getting rich”.

  • unlisted

    Robble, I also see that you like to debate on all other topics also. So your actually waste of time and probably need a friend because you have no one to talk to. Case closed.

  • Fartrell Cluggins

    Covered as in second camera, second shooter, etc.

  • Numenaster

    I take it you’re in favor of raising teacher’s pay then.

  • Brian Warner

    Hgg, if you actually read the article before posting, you would see that the $50k figure is revenue, not profit. $7k is the profit, of a skilled creative trade that requires running every aspect of the business and a ton of time and legwork outside of “just” those 20 days of on-location shooting.

  • dclowd9901

    So if my math is right, you’re making $50k/year in PA doing the equivalent of 20 weeks of work a year? Sounds pretty cushy to me.

    My guess is wedding photographers are so much because people will pay literally anything to have photographs at their wedding, and unlike other wedding costs that can be mitigated by DIY (venue, catering, decor), you can’t DIY photography.