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Samsung May be Working on a Retro X100 Competitor Called the R1

With the success of the Fujifilm X100, camera companies are starting to realize that consumers love both the design of old school cameras and the ease of shooting digital. Samsung may be looking to join the retro party — the latest rumor to hit the Internet is that Samsung is planning a X100-style camera called the R1… with interchangeable lenses!

Earlier today, the blog 36exp published a post titled The Samsung Retro R1: DSLR Spec in Compact Body. Just hours later, the post was quietly deleted, but not before Mirrorless Rumors snagged a copy of the text:

Last night I attended a feedback session run by a research company on behalf of a major camera company. They were looking for ‘advanced camera users’ to give feedback on a new camera design.

They showed what looked like a very well progressed mock up and spec of a camera, which was about the size of a Canon G12 (Click here ot see that cam), or mirrorless camera, but had styling very similar to the Fuji X100 (Click here ot see that cam).

The spec of the camera that we were asked to give feedback on was given as:

– APS C size sensor
– 24.3 mega pixels
– Interchangeable lenses
– Mirrorless system
– Magnesium alloy body
– Retro Styling (their words) i.e. direct access buttons and dials for controls, similar look to Fuji x100, black and chrome
– 10 fps
– Max shutter speed 1/8000 sec
– Phase autofocus
– Swivel LCD screen (although this didn’t get good feedback)
– Price £616 including kit lens

They didn’t reveal it as Samsung initially, but the discussion got onto which brands we trusted and everyone mentioned Nikon, Canon, Leica etc as brands with heritage that they would trust if buying into what seemed to be a premium camera. When someone mentioned that they would be less likely to buy it if it was from Samsung a guy appeared (who been observing the session from behind one way glass) and announced that it was a Samsung camera, and asked our thoughts on this….

Couldn’t get any pictures or bring anything out unfortunately. It may be called the Retro R1 or similar as the mock up had Retro etched on it, but tape over the rest of the name.

I really liked it, seemed to have SLR spec in a smaller body, hopefully it comes to fruition.

One thing X100 fans have been clamoring for since the release of that camera — and subsequently the X10 — is a X100-style camera with interchangeable lenses (both the X100 and X10 have fixed lenses). Could Samsung actually beat Fujifilm to the punch and release a retro-styled interchangeable-lens mirrorless camera first? That would be crazy.

(via Mirrorless Rumors)


Update: The photo of Samsung prototype cameras that we shared a while back includes a retro inter-changeable lens one. Could that be the R1?


Image credit: FinePix X100 Side Front by Joe Wilcox


 
  • http://twitter.com/therealmattymoo Matty

    OH please, not 24 megapixels! 

  • http://twitter.com/therealmattymoo Matty

    OH please, not 24 megapixels! 

  • http://twitter.com/therealmattymoo Matty

    OH please, not 24 megapixels! 

  • Fabrice Bacchella

    – Mirrorless system– Phase autofocus

    Is that possible ?

  • Fabrice Bacchella

    – Mirrorless system– Phase autofocus

    Is that possible ?

  • Flgraphics

    24 MP is too much, when will the manufacturers realize consumers don’t want HUGE files to deal with. Slows down processing, and you need so much more storage room.

    I also Hope Samsung prices this within reason, unlike Fuji

  • Joke

    No Nikon announcements shows how bored we are….

  • Volkan

    I guess in a similar way Sony did on LA-EA2, phase autofocus can be integrated into the lens. However, it probably would make the lens very bulky. Fuji also used another approach in some of its compact cameras, integrating phase detection directly into the sensor (together with cıontrast detection, ie. “hybrid”). It’s explained here: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1008/10080505fujifilmpd.asp

  • http://twitter.com/salzmanufaktur Salz

     Interchangeable lenses – sounds good.

  • Alan Dove

    Gosh, I already have a whole collection of “retro styled” cameras with at least 24 MP effective resolution. They even use these nifty ultra-thin sensor packages that automatically archive my images onto a medium with a proven century-plus storage lifespan. I’ll admit, they lack the LCD screens and other geegaws people spend so many hours obsessing over, so they’re sadly limited. All I can really do with them is make pictures.

  • Joke2

    hopefully will give Fuji engineers a nudge for a quicker release of that long awaited X200

  • Joke2

    hopefully will give Fuji engineers a nudge for a quicker release of that long awaited X200

  • http://twitter.com/Sokhos ion sokhos

    sorry, but i call BS on this.  Reading the spec sheet already sounded like a gear nerd’s wishlist, but the bit where a “samsung guy appeared…. from behind one way glass” pushes it over the top.  this smacks of a bloggers attempt at getting traffic to their site.

  • Edgar_in_Indy

    With at least 24MP effective resolution? That statement made me curious about the typical resolution of 35mm film, and a Google search took me to this article:

    http://pic.templetons.com/brad/photo/pixels.html

    The author claims that “there are around 20 million ‘quality’ pixels in a top-quality 35mm shot. That’s a shot with a tripod, mirror-up, with a top-rate lens and the finest-grained film, in decent light.”

    He goes on to say:

    “12 million are more typical for ‘good’ shots. There may be as few as 4 million ‘quality’ pixels in a handheld shot with a point-and-shoot camera or camera with a poor lens. And of course if focus is poor, or light is poor, or the camera was not held steady, the number will drop down below the 1-2 million pixels.”

    I have no idea how accurate that information is, but the author sounds knowledgeable about the subject. Based on my experience with relatively inexpensive 35mm point and shoots, I would say that the his claim of 4MP sounds about right.

  • Edgar_in_Indy

    With at least 24MP effective resolution? That statement made me curious about the typical resolution of 35mm film, and a Google search took me to this article:

    http://pic.templetons.com/brad/photo/pixels.html

    The author claims that “there are around 20 million ‘quality’ pixels in a top-quality 35mm shot. That’s a shot with a tripod, mirror-up, with a top-rate lens and the finest-grained film, in decent light.”

    He goes on to say:

    “12 million are more typical for ‘good’ shots. There may be as few as 4 million ‘quality’ pixels in a handheld shot with a point-and-shoot camera or camera with a poor lens. And of course if focus is poor, or light is poor, or the camera was not held steady, the number will drop down below the 1-2 million pixels.”

    I have no idea how accurate that information is, but the author sounds knowledgeable about the subject. Based on my experience with relatively inexpensive 35mm point and shoots, I would say that the his claim of 4MP sounds about right.

  • Michael Rasmussen

    I’ve been looking for this camera.  Will they start making it soon so I can buy it?
    Seriously, those specs (OK, 24megapixel is overkill) describe what I want.  It better make raw…

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  • Scott

    There has been talk that Sony and Samsung are working together on developing camera tech. I’d assume the sensor is the same as in the a77 and Nex-7, if any of this is true

  • Alan Dove

    If you’re counting all the limiting factors of optics and motion blur, the sensor ratings on digital cameras are also vastly overstated. Saying a digital sensor has 24MP doesn’t mean that the photos coming out of it will actually have that many “quality” pixels. It’s quite reasonable to say that 35mm film is at least equivalent to a 24MP sensor. And, of course, there are other film formats, e.g. I’d probably have to quadruple the figure if we’re talking about my Rolleiflex.

  • Edgar_in_Indy

    If you go back and look at my first sentence, you’ll see that we’re talking about resolution, not megapixels. Of course motion blur and poor optics will reduce the effective resolution, regardless of whether we’re talking digital or film. And it’s true that a 16MP point-and-shoot will have much less resolution than a 16MP DSLR.

    But when comparing film resolution to digital resolution, the author is using the term “quality pixels”, which accounts for the fact that all MP are not created equal. And despite what you say, it’s NOT reasonable to make a blanket statement that “35mm film is at least equivalent to a 24MP sensor.” The effective resolution depends on way too many factors to make such an unqualified generalization.

  • mirrorless user

    sounds very good!  (except 24mp, which seems a bit too much)
    – swivel screen would be absolutely essential !!  (I love the NX100 and use it a lot, but it is annoying not to have a screen that you can tilt at least a little bit!)
    – if it’s half the price of the fuji x100 I would go for it, also if it offers a single fast lens “only”. If you know how to photograph one lens can be just enough.
    – creative options have not been mentioned. I hope it will expand on the tradition to include smart filters and creative editing options – the more, the better!
    Sitting in front of a computer is rarely a lot of fun, working on your pics where and whenever you want on the camera itsself is just great.
    (filters like the ugly fisheye and miniature can be excluded!)
    I like Samsung’s innovative and forward looking approach! If they keep things going, I am pretty sure they will continue to have a lot of successes.

  • mirrorless user

    sounds very good!  (except 24mp, which seems a bit too much)
    – swivel screen would be absolutely essential !!  (I love the NX100 and use it a lot, but it is annoying not to have a screen that you can tilt at least a little bit!)
    – if it’s half the price of the fuji x100 I would go for it, also if it offers a single fast lens “only”. If you know how to photograph one lens can be just enough.
    – creative options have not been mentioned. I hope it will expand on the tradition to include smart filters and creative editing options – the more, the better!
    Sitting in front of a computer is rarely a lot of fun, working on your pics where and whenever you want on the camera itsself is just great.
    (filters like the ugly fisheye and miniature can be excluded!)
    I like Samsung’s innovative and forward looking approach! If they keep things going, I am pretty sure they will continue to have a lot of successes.

  • mirrorless user

    sounds very good!  (except 24mp, which seems a bit too much)
    – swivel screen would be absolutely essential !!  (I love the NX100 and use it a lot, but it is annoying not to have a screen that you can tilt at least a little bit!)
    – if it’s half the price of the fuji x100 I would go for it, also if it offers a single fast lens “only”. If you know how to photograph one lens can be just enough.
    – creative options have not been mentioned. I hope it will expand on the tradition to include smart filters and creative editing options – the more, the better!
    Sitting in front of a computer is rarely a lot of fun, working on your pics where and whenever you want on the camera itsself is just great.
    (filters like the ugly fisheye and miniature can be excluded!)
    I like Samsung’s innovative and forward looking approach! If they keep things going, I am pretty sure they will continue to have a lot of successes.

  • mirrorless user

    sounds very good!  (except 24mp, which seems a bit too much)
    – swivel screen would be absolutely essential !!  (I love the NX100 and use it a lot, but it is annoying not to have a screen that you can tilt at least a little bit!)
    – if it’s half the price of the fuji x100 I would go for it, also if it offers a single fast lens “only”. If you know how to photograph one lens can be just enough.
    – creative options have not been mentioned. I hope it will expand on the tradition to include smart filters and creative editing options – the more, the better!
    Sitting in front of a computer is rarely a lot of fun, working on your pics where and whenever you want on the camera itsself is just great.
    (filters like the ugly fisheye and miniature can be excluded!)
    I like Samsung’s innovative and forward looking approach! If they keep things going, I am pretty sure they will continue to have a lot of successes.

  • mirrorless user

    sounds very good!  (except 24mp, which seems a bit too much)
    – swivel screen would be absolutely essential !!  (I love the NX100 and use it a lot, but it is annoying not to have a screen that you can tilt at least a little bit!)
    – if it’s half the price of the fuji x100 I would go for it, also if it offers a single fast lens “only”. If you know how to photograph one lens can be just enough.
    – creative options have not been mentioned. I hope it will expand on the tradition to include smart filters and creative editing options – the more, the better!
    Sitting in front of a computer is rarely a lot of fun, working on your pics where and whenever you want on the camera itsself is just great.
    (filters like the ugly fisheye and miniature can be excluded!)
    I like Samsung’s innovative and forward looking approach! If they keep things going, I am pretty sure they will continue to have a lot of successes.

  • mirrorless user

    sounds very good!  (except 24mp, which seems a bit too much)
    – swivel screen would be absolutely essential !!  (I love the NX100 and use it a lot, but it is annoying not to have a screen that you can tilt at least a little bit!)
    – if it’s half the price of the fuji x100 I would go for it, also if it offers a single fast lens “only”. If you know how to photograph one lens can be just enough.
    – creative options have not been mentioned. I hope it will expand on the tradition to include smart filters and creative editing options – the more, the better!
    Sitting in front of a computer is rarely a lot of fun, working on your pics where and whenever you want on the camera itsself is just great.
    (filters like the ugly fisheye and miniature can be excluded!)
    I like Samsung’s innovative and forward looking approach! If they keep things going, I am pretty sure they will continue to have a lot of successes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_INF4NQEKGI3KYLQ2MVVCZOR56Y MarkC

    I’m not sure I’d believe 24MP APS-C unless Samsung is going to buy it’s sensor from Sony, which would be quite unlikely.  More likely it would use the 20MP sensor form the NX200.  Samsung, how about putting a 3:2 ratio SuperAMOLED Plus screen on the back? 

  • Poseymark

    Anything new on this story? It would sound all in all to be a very interesting product but it seems to have made a blip on the radar screen and then disappeared…. what a pity

  • anon

    Just because it has 24 doesn’t mean you need to keep your shots at 24 MP. For jpeg many cameras offer shooting at many sizes, a camera like that might allow shooting at 24, 12, 6, and 2 (~HD) megapixels. If you’re shooting raw, then you’re probably not one of the people that would complain about 24 MP.